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NOTE How Wars Endanger American Freedom

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I think the more appropriate title for the talk would be America's Pyrrhic Victories.

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And one of the conclusions that I've reached in American history is that we have come from

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a very free country at the time of our founding to a point where our liberties are in great

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danger today, primarily through the Pyrrhic Victories we won.

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We lost the war in Vietnam, I suppose you'd say, and we tied the war of 1812, otherwise

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We've got a winning record. All those wars we're taught by history that we fought them to protect freedom and we won those wars.

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And so it comes as a very controversial subject to say that, know that we've lost our liberties by winning those wars.

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Of course, the word pirates comes from the general who won the war at Aesculum over the Romans in about 275 B.C.

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And it's come to stand for the point that you may win the battle and lose the war. And

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our war on behalf of freedom has been lost primarily through centralization of government,

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which occurs primarily during wartime. To lead into this, the subject which has interested

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me most over the past 30, 35 years, sort of a bookworm on the subject, is the subject

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of Freedom. And that leads you into all kinds of other subjects, history, psychology, economics,

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political science, philosophy. And all of those subjects are interesting to me primarily

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from the viewpoint of what effect do they have on liberty. How has liberty been gained?

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How has it been retained? And how has it been lost? And I guess you could state that there's

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An ancient riddle, and that is, how does an individual maintain individual freedom within a society?

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How do you reconcile law with liberty, government with freedom, or, stated another way, how do you grant government enough power

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in order to protect freedom without giving it so much power so that government becomes its oppressor?

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And that is the great riddle of civilization. And the best answer that's ever been given for that was the founding of America, which was based upon classical liberalism of which Ludwig von Mises is a prime promoter.

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That is basically an 18th century idea that you needed to make sure that the central government was very limited in its scope.

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So only grant it a few specific delegated powers and retain most of the powers to that government which is closest to the people, the states and the people.

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And do this through a written constitution.

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And at that time a policy was adopted which lasted for a hundred years.

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and that is the foreign policy that recognized that the greatest threat to freedom is the

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centralization of power which occurs through war. Therefore, our foreign policy should

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be based upon the fact that we will only fight those wars which are a clear and present danger

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to America and otherwise we will remain neutral and not allow our government to become centralized

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for those purposes and we will get out of the, as I call it, the carton of constant

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Conflict in Europe. And so that was the great policy upon which we were founded. Mises agreed

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with this completely, and if you look at his book, Liberalism, especially chapter three,

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it contains most of his ideas on foreign policy. And he agreed to all the ideas of the founding

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fathers. He believed in a, of course, private property, private means of production, free

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free trade policy with no protective tariffs, and so forth.

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But here's one sentence I want to read to you in that chapter, and he talks about the

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foreign policy, but the main thing is this.

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Nations must come to realize that the most important problem of foreign policy is the

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establishment of lasting peace, and they must understand that that can be assured throughout

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the world only if the field of activity permitted to the state is limited to the narrowest range.

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The foreign policy of many European countries was of course at that time colonialism, which

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meant the foreign policy was based upon gaining colonies, expanding, and of course his was

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neutrality. There are certain truths about war that came about as statements made in

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opposition to war in America. One is by Randolph Bourne, American writer who opposed America's

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in the World War I, where he stated war is the health of the state, meaning that it is

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during war that government grows and becomes strong. And it's a very true statement. Another

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was made by U.S. Senator Hiram Johnson of California in opposing World War I, and that

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is when war is declared, truth is the first casualty. And government takes a position

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during war that it can use Plato's royal lie for the good of the people.

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And modern wars are fought primarily through conscription and propaganda, propaganda to

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control what is the American people know about it and propaganda to try to affect the enemy.

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And the problem with that is that propaganda used during the war often becomes the history

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of that war because the government still has an interest in promoting the reasons for which

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it caused the war.

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So there's another adage that winners always write the history.

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So that myths and propaganda created during the war become the history of the war.

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And that is the reason that revisionism becomes necessary is that it is only when you go back

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and look at original documents and diaries and documents that the government says you

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Revisionism has gotten a bad name because they think it's something out of 1984 you're trying to change the facts, when in fact the purpose is to overcome propaganda, myth, and legends that were done during the war to see what the real truth facts were, and it is the misuse of Henry Ford's old statement that history is bunk. What he meant by that is that history written at the time of war and so forth is propaganda and it's bunk. It's not that history is bad.

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History is our main method for learning the lessons of the past so that we don't repeat

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them in the future.

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Let me tell you just briefly about how our Project Cost of War came about.

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Back several years ago, I did a review of a book for the Institute called Guardian of

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Every Other Right, and it's by a law professor at Vanderbilt, and it's a very good book on

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on Property Rights, and he liked probably 95% of those people who want to talk about

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what's happened to our property rights or liberties in America, they all trace it back

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to the New Deal.

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That's when everything went wrong.

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So in praising his book, I criticized it in the sense that he did not show that almost

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every program in the New Deal was merely a renewal, a recreation of those programs that

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were instituted first in America in World War I.

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And the same people like Bernard Baruch and the War Industries Board took over the same

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position in the New Deal.

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And he said, well, he hadn't really thought of that, but then he began to talk with Professor

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Ivey, and he and I have had a lot of conversations since then.

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And then he said, yeah, that's right, you know, rent control started World War I, this

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started and so forth.

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He said, yeah, that's right, I wish I could have added that.

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And then there was another program here on campus several years ago, a cousin of mine

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And I was in charge of, I like very much, Leo Atkins, and it was called the Second World War, quote, colon, a good war? And I thought that that was going to get into some of the things that I'm interested in, so I encouraged her to have a speech by another cousin of mine, Eugene Sledge, who gives about the best account of a frontline soldier in war you can ever read, in hopes that that would answer the question, in some sense, what were the bad points of the war.

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and all it talked about was all the wonderful things that occurred by reason of World War II.

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All the good things came out of that. Great unity of the people. Everybody came together.

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Everybody had patriotic feelings. It was the greatest thing that happened in America.

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But nobody talked about the cost of war. So Lou and I frequently have lunches together

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and I began to talk about it. I said, you know, maybe we ought to do something about not the benefits of war

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War, but the cost of war. And those costs often are long-term, unseen, hidden, that

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the people don't know about. And so that's sort of the genesis of this. And if you're

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familiar with stock market chartists, they do things called down channels and up channels.

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And my theory would be that we've got a down channel on freedom in America. And the dip

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First was the American Civil War, and then the next dip was the Spanish-American War,

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and then the next dip was World War I, the next dip World War II, and it's a down channel

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in this way showing where we lost freedom. And all of the big dips on my chart are all

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in wartime except the New Deal, which I maintain is really a product primarily of World War

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Let me read you a quote I think is interesting from a prominent historian, British historian

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Arnold Toynbee. This is given a perspective from a foreign historian. This is in the New

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York Times on May 7, 1971. To most Europeans, I guess, America now looks like the most dangerous

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Since America is unquestionably the most powerful country, the transformation of America's image

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within the last 30 years is very frightening for Europeans. It's probably still more frightening

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for the great majority of the human race who are neither Europeans nor North Americans,

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but are the Latin Americans, the Asians, the Africans. They, I imagine, feel even more

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insecure than we feel. They feel at any moment America may intervene in their internal affairs

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and the same appalling consequences as have followed from American intervention in Southeast

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Asia. For the world as a whole, the CIA has now become the bogey that Communism has been

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for America. Wherever there is trouble or violence, suffering or tragedy, the rest of

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us are now quick to suspect that the CIA had a hand in it. Our phobia about the CIA is

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no doubt as fantastically excessive as America's phobia about the world of Communism. But in

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In this case, too, there is just enough convincing guidance to make the phobia genuine. In fact,

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the roles of America and of Russia have been reversed in the world's eyes. Today, America

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has become the nightmare. America that was founded on all the principles of freedom and

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a non-interventionist foreign policy has now become a nightmare to others in the world

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looking to us.

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One of the main provisions put in our Constitution, and I want to go into the reasons for that

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The minute is that Presidents cannot declare war on the Congress. But in our history, only

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five wars have been declared by Congress. The War of 1812, the Mexican-American War,

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the Spanish-American War, World Wars I and II. And on over 200 occasions, the American

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President has sent soldiers to foreign countries without any declaration of war. And since

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In 1945, over 100,000 American soldiers had been killed in under-clad wars on foreign

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soil and over 400,000 battle injuries have occurred.

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The great examples of the misuse and abandonment of the Constitution recently, of course, of

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the Korean War and Vietnam War, clearly not police actions as they were advertised, but

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major wars in which they suffered great damage.

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But the principal example of violation of the Constitution, in that respect, is the

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American Civil War, where Lincoln launched a massive war without any authority from Congress

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whatsoever, and it still is unmatched for loss of lives, American lives, of any other

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war.

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Let me give you a quote from Daniel Webster. I'm picking and choosing about my article

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I've written on cost of war. Listen to this. Miracles do not cluster. Hold on to the Constitution

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of the United States of America and the Republic for which it stands. What has happened once

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The Founding Fathers were well aware of the need for a non-interventionist foreign policy

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and Washington and Jefferson stated this, but it was Washington's idea in the Farewell

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Address, is it peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with

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The founding father, I think, that really gets down to the nitty-gritty is James Madison.

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Let me give you two quotes from him.

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First on why you need a non-interventionist foreign policy to protect liberty.

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Madison states, of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded

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because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies.

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From these proceed debts and taxes, and armies and debts and taxes are the known instruments for bringing about the many under the domination of the few.

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No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.

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Warfare.

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And then another quote from Madison, which was part of his address to the Constitutional

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Convention, states why you don't allow the President to declare war and be in charge

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of starting wars.

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He states this, war is in fact the true nurse of executive aggrandizement.

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In war, a physical force is to be created.

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And it is the executive will which is to direct it.

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In war the public treasuries are to be unlocked, and it is the executive hand which is to dispense

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them.

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In war the honors and emoluments of office are to be multiplied, and it is the executive

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patronage under which they are to be enjoyed, and it is the executive brow they are to encircle,

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the strongest passions and the most dangerous weaknesses of the human breast, ambition,

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Average, vanity, the honorable or the venal love of fame are all in a conspiracy against the desire and duty of peace.

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I think that sort of summarizes why the American policy was started.

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One thing that is interesting, there's a great new book out by Forrest MacDonald on American presidents.

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He talks about this, about sort of the difference. In the 18th century, people read history for the purpose of learning lessons from history.

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And they went back and read the original historians. Here's what MacDonald states.

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History, to most of the authors of the Constitution, was more valuable than political theory because it was more real.

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were real. As Bowling Book put it, history was philosophy by example. 18th century Americans

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read widely in history, thought historically, and cited history as authority. John Dickinson

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expressed a prevailing sentiment when he said, quote, experience must be our only guide for

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reason may mislead us. Well, who were the historians that they read and who influenced

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Two of them, they studied Greek and Roman history and they read those historians.

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I was impressed when Charles Adams spoke to us about how he goes back and reads the original

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historians.

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And those historians wrote for the purpose of telling a story and teaching you a lesson

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of why history, the mistakes in history should not be repeated.

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The first historian who wrote it told us about the Persian Wars where the Persians outnumbered

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and the Greeks ten to one. And they invaded Greece and the Greeks repelled them over and

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over with great courage and honor. And he was impressed by the fact that, he wrote it

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as, was impressed by the fact that as the Greeks repelled the Persians, the Greeks never

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tried to impose empire on anyone else. They protected themselves and repelled their enemies

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and never saw empire themselves. And the next historian that probably teaches us the most

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And he was a warrior himself and had fought in the Greek wars and he tells us the story

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and the lessons from the Peloponnesian Wars and in that he talks about that Athens lost

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her soul and her freedom through constant warfare, that the Athenians in their constant

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Warfare with Sparta became as power-seeking and as arrogant as the prior invading Persians,

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and that he teaches you that you must stay away from wars in order to protect your freedom.

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And he points out that the real turning point in the Peloponnesian War was when the great

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Athenian Navy, which was their main strength, was almost totally destroyed in the Syracuse

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Harbor in Sicily, not trying to protect Athens or Greece, but trying to conquer Sicily. And

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his is probably the greatest statement against empire, that you lose your own freedom through

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empire. There's another influence, I think, on the founding fathers from Shakespeare.

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He tells about what I would call the oldest trick in the trade of governance. And that

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is if you want to distract your domestic critics, get a foreign war going. If you want to limit

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the sin against you, get a foreign war going. It's an old trick of tyrants and kings, and

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Shakespeare talks about that in Henry IV. And, of course, the language I'll give it

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Walter says you should busy giddy minds with foreign quarrels. In that the king is dying

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and his son is there and he's telling his sons about the Machiavellian use of power

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and this is how you'd be a good king. He says first of all let me tell you this, you remember

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the long crusade we had to go to the Holy Land? Well that was all a political ploy. I

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was trying to silence my local critics and that's what you have to do and Harold Goddard

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Shakespeare critic says his advice boils down to this. He says, quote, make war, dear boy,

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and God grant that your reign may be a peaceful one. The language Shakespeare uses is this,

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and had a purpose now to lead out many to the Holy Land, lest rest and lying still make

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Let them look too near into my state. Therefore, my Harry, be at thy course to busy, giddy

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minds with foreign quarrels. That action, hence borne out, may waste the memory of the

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former days." It's a very eloquent statement of foreign policy.

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There's another lesson gained to the founding fathers through the Spanish conquest of the

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of the Aztecs and the Incas, and I don't know if I've indexed that here, but it, this

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occurred of course before the founding of America, and the lessons in that is that the,

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can't find it, but basically it was this, that the Aztec and Inca society was found

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They seem to have lost their freedom primarily through two means.

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Their rulers promised them security from want and security from foreign invasions

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if they would simply give them their freedom.

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It was the war and welfare state.

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So they learned lessons from history,

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and they formulated American policy

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of the American Government based on the lessons of history.

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Let's get into the American Civil War.

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I have no, I'm not a military star and I have no interest in the battles of the Civil

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My interest is mainly and simply what was the cause of the war, what was the real cause

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and what was the real effect.

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and Cause of the War.

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so well, the Emancipation Proclamation was issued during the war, right?

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And the 13th Amendment was passed at the end of the war, right?

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Well, abolition of slavery was the cause of the war, wasn't it?

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Why wasn't it?

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I said, and my answer to them is, I said, when it rains, the streets are wet, aren't they?

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After the rains over, the streets are wet, aren't they?

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Did the wet streets cause the rain?

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Those things occurred, but they occurred as a result of the war

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and not the cause of it.

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was not whether slavery should be abolished in the states

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where it existed, but whether it should be expanded or extended

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into the other new states and territories.

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and the whole Constitution was formed by trying to equalize the balance by counting slaves

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as three-fifths of a vote and other things like that to keep the South from being a minority.

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What were some of the real causes? An interesting book that Lew recommended to me is called

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for Albion Seed. Albion is in the White Cliffs of Dover. It's about who settled America,

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what were the seeds planted in America by the English who came over here. Part of that

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book talks about two of those groups, the two main groups that founded America, were

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the two groups that fought the English Civil War. And those were the Puritans who settled

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Massachusetts and the Cavaliers who settled Virginia. And they were fighting when they

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Civil War during this whole period of time.

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Let me read what Lord Acton, the great historian of liberty, was a champion of the Confederate cause because he saw it as the battle for liberty.

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so opposite as those of Jefferson and Hamilton, will be distracted by their antagonism until

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one of them shall prevail.

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and the Anti-Federalist, the Centralizers and the Decentralizers.

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a growing industrial society, you would have a protective tariff, which would protect those

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industries from competition from abroad and allow you to sell your products to the South

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except to promote a monopoly in the hands of northern industries to raise prices for

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southern consumers, the South exported about three-quarters of its goods and in turn used

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the money to buy European goods, which carried the high import tax.

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was to buy Northern manufactured goods at excessively high prices.

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There's a brand new biography I would recommend, especially to the Civil War buffs, on Admiral

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Simms, who's by the son of General Maxwell Taylor, John Taylor, and it's called Confederate

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Rater. And Sims was not a Southerner. He was a career naval officer. He had no slaves,

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had no interest whatsoever in slavery. And he resigned his commission and joined the

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Confederate Navy. And his reasons for supporting the Southern cause are summarized by John

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Taylor. Let me read this to you because it sort of brings this all together. This is

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An avid reader, Sims was convinced that the South was a victim of economic oppression

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by the North, that policies determined in Washington had resulted in a transfer of wealth

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from the South to the North.

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He placed much blame on the recently departed Henry Clay. Clay's American system had provided

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for tariffs to protect fledgling New England industries. Yet the effect of the tariff legislation,

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Sims concluded, was a stifled foreign competition, compelled the southern consumer to pay artificially

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high prices for manufactured goods. In Sims' view, the problem went beyond economic policy.

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He saw the North and the South as inherently antagonistic. Thinking in the North was dominated

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by New England Intelligentsia, which in turn was drawn from the intolerant descendants of

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the Puritans. From religious intoleration, it was but a short step to constitutional

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obstructionism. Recalling New England's opposition to the War of 1812, Sims concluded, as long

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as they were in the minority, the New England state stood strictly on their state rights

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in resisting such measures as were unpalatable to them, even to the extremity of threatening

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secession, which of course they did in the Hartford Convention of 1814. It was only when

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He quoted with approval the French writer Alexis de Tocqueville, who for two decades

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earlier had compared the states of the hostile nations under one government.

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The tyranny of the majority of which de Tocqueville had won was at hand.

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One of Simms' heroes was Patrick Henry, who had opposed ratification of the Constitution

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on the grounds that the more populous North would eventually come to dominate the South.

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herring, an issue that Northern politicians exploited in order to isolate and weaken the

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Those who opposed the spread of slavery were not humanitarians, rather they feared the political

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repercussions from the formation of new slave states, and he quotes Simms, quote, the fat

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That southern goose could not resist being plucked as long as things stood. But it was

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feared that if slavery was permitted to go into territories, the goose might become strong

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enough to resist being plucked. It's a pretty good explanation of his theories. His wife

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did not agree with him, and so she took their three daughters and moved to Ohio at the beginning

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of the war. All three of their sons fought for the Confederacy, and his brothers fought

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for the Union. So, he is a man who simply looked at the issues and chose sides based

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on the issues.

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was not the cause of secession, but the reason for its failure. In other words, that's not

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Let's look at some of Abraham Lincoln's statements made before the war.

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First, when he was a Whig and ran for the Illinois Legislation,

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this is from one of his first speeches I found in one of Emmy Mel Bradford's books.

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This is Lincoln. I presume you all know who I am. I am humble Abraham Lincoln. I have

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been solicited by my many friends to become a candidate for the legislature. My politics

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are short and sweet like the old woman's dance. I am in favor of a national bank, in favor

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of the internal improvement system, and in favor of a high protective tariff. And that's

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I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists.

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I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.

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And then he says, but I have in regard to collecting taxes and impost, beyond what may be necessary for those objects, there will be no invasion, no use of force.

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wrote an editorial encouraging Lincoln to take the war beyond this protected union and

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give it some high moral purpose.

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states this, my paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either

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to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would

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do it. And if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it. And if I could

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save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would do that. I don't know how much

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more specific you can get that the war was not fought for the purpose of abolishing slavery.

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Some of the interesting study you can find is done by people who are promoting the Northern

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View and you have to read the footnotes and go read the bibliographical essays. But there's

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a book, two recent books, one called Lincoln the War President and another called Union

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in Peril. But it talks about the cabinet meetings before the war started. And in one of those

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In those meetings, the prime military advisor was General Winfield Scott, and the Secretary of State was Henry Stewart.

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And they specifically advised Lincoln not to reinforce the troops at Fort Sumter, because they said it would be a useless act that would promote an unnecessary war.

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But Seward went further, and in the diary of Gettys and Wells, you will see where he says they had a meeting on April 1, and in a written memo,

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Seward told Lincoln that, you know, don't do anything about the South because, you know,

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we don't want to destroy their economy, that's what we're living off of.

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But I know you need a war, promote a war with France or Spain, much preferable.

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And Lincoln thought that was too risky.

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a war with England.

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and the book Union in Peril which is written by the head of the history department of Alabama.

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He goes into the English documents and that's the way apparently you're going to be able

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to find much of the good information about that because they were sympathetic to the

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South and they were not trying to destroy documents or promote propaganda.

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I mean it's back to the old Shakespearean advice of busy giddy minds with the foreign

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and War is what Sue had preferred rather than an internal struggle that would kill the South's

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economy which would hurt their own economy.

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Well how did the Emancipation Proclamation come about?

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Long after the war had started and you will find in the Union in Peril the conclusion

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reached that it was a proclamation used as a military necessity to prevent British intervention.

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Lincoln himself admitted that it was strictly a military measure that was used, and he states this,

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Things had gone, this is Lincoln, things had gone from bad to worse until I felt we had reached the end of our rope

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on the plan we were pursuing, that we had about played our last card, and I must change our tactics or lose the game.

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I am now determined upon the adoption of the Emancipation Policy.

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Lincoln also said after issuing the policies, the character of the war will be changed.

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It will be one of subjugation. The Old South is to be destroyed and replaced by new propositions and ideas.

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Let me move along a little bit more and get some of the cost of the war.

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Of course, the cost of the war was this. It was in effect holding a new constitutional convention.

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It held it on the battlefields and was settled by bullets.

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And it completely changed the American government

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from one of limited powers to a consolidated government

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with hardly any checks and balances on the power.

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Lord Acton wrote a letter to Robert E. Lee

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after the Civil War and said this,

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I saw in states' rights the only availing check

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upon the absolutism of the sovereign will

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and secession filled me with hope,

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not as it did the destruction,

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but as to the redemption of democracy.

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The FYD and you were fighting the battles of our liberty, our progress, and our civilization.

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And I mourn for the state which was lost at Richmond more deeply than I rejoice over that

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which was saved at Waterloo.

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Gore Baddall, in his book, Lincoln, says that Lincoln is America's first dictator.

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And he says this, the memory of Lincoln, and this is in an essay called United States Essays,

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the memory of Lincoln was and is a constant stimulus to the ambitious chief magistrate

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who knows that once the nation is at war, his powers are truly unlimited while the possibilities

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of personal glory are immeasurable, right out of James Madison, his first McDonald's

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assessment in his book on American Presidency.

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Many people then and later criticize Lincoln's conduct as excessive.

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The abolitionist Wendell Phillips called Lincoln an unlimited despot, and Justice Benjamin

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Curtis wrote that he had established a military despotism when William Whiting solicited the

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The Federal Department published a book called War Powers Under the Constitution, in which

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he maintained that in wartime the President's actions are subject to no constitutional restraints

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whatever.

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Senator Charles Sumner thundered that the doctrine and Lincoln's behavior under it was

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a pretension so irrational and unconstitutional, so absurd and tyrannical as to deserve no

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respect.

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The doctrine when followed would change the federal authority from one of government of

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law to that of a military dictator.

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20th century historians and political scientists routinely characterized Lincoln's presidency

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as a Dictatorship or as a Constitutional Dictatorship, sometimes using the word in the benign Roman

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sense, sometimes in its sinister modern sense.

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One of the best books you can read about the destruction of civil liberties during the

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Civil War is written by the director of the Lincoln Museum, Mark Neely, wrote a book called

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Fate of Liberty.

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And he goes through, he studies 13,000 of these unconstitutional trials where military

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Law was declared in the North, in New York and Illinois and other places. People were

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tried before a military judge, without a jury, without a lawyer, without a right of appeal

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and sentenced to death, in many cases, only on suspicion. Lincoln was fighting the copperheads.

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He sentenced a fellow, Van Landingham, who criticized him, out of the North, said you

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had to go to the South, and he eventually went to Canada. Took over newspapers, railroads.

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War and the Rise of the State

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In connection with the war, the Lincoln administration attempted to intervene in areas of national

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life and economy that the federal government had never touched before.

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Prior to 1861, the national government had been a minor purchaser in the American economy.

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00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:27.240
During the war it became the largest single purchaser in the country, a catalyst of rapid

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00:39:27.240 --> 00:39:31.800
growth in key industries such as iron, textile, shoe manufacturing, meat packing. The Civil

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00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:36.040
War spawned a revolution in taxation that permanently altered the structure of American

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Federalism and the relationship of the central government to the national economy. Prior to

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00:39:40.600 --> 00:39:44.740
the war, over 80% of Federal revenue had come from customs duties, but despite the numerous

426
00:39:44.740 --> 00:39:49.400
upward revisions of tariffs during the war, those could provide only a fraction of what

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was needed to sustain the Union armistice. On August 5, 1861, the first income tax in

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U.S. history came into effect, followed by the Internal Revenue Act of 1862, which levied

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00:39:59.240 --> 00:40:04.200
a whole series of new taxes, stamp taxes, excise taxes, luxury taxes, grocery street

430
00:40:04.200 --> 00:40:09.640
taxes, inheritance tax, value added tax, manufactured tax on goods. The latter act also created

431
00:40:09.640 --> 00:40:15.160
the Bureau of Internal Revenue, perhaps the most effective vehicle of Federal power ever

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00:40:15.160 --> 00:40:19.320
created. The formation of an Internal Revenue system was part of the largest Civil War

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00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:24.200
Revolution and the Nature's Financial Structure. In February 1862, Congress enacted the Legal

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00:40:24.200 --> 00:40:28.680
Tender Act, authorized the Treasury to issue 150 million in notes of greenback dollars,

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00:40:28.680 --> 00:40:34.140
not covered by hard specie. Creation of the national currency forever altered the monetary

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00:40:34.140 --> 00:40:38.520
structure of the United States. All these measures had some link to the war effort.

437
00:40:38.520 --> 00:40:43.260
It was vital to retain western support against the south, to protect industry from competition,

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00:40:43.260 --> 00:40:47.640
and to obtain cheap labor from abroad. But the long-range thrust was to favor industrial

439
00:40:47.640 --> 00:40:52.840
Growth, Westward Expansion, and the interest of Eastern Urban Capital over those of Agriculture.

440
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:57.080
Appomattox thus represented not just the defeat of the South, but the defeat of the whole

441
00:40:57.080 --> 00:41:02.600
Southern economic and political system, and the triumph of the state-fostered industrial

442
00:41:02.600 --> 00:41:05.120
and financial complex in the North.

443
00:41:05.120 --> 00:41:10.800
You've got the birth of the military-industrial complex right there.

444
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:14.640
Let me hurry on to the Spanish-American War and quickly cover that.

445
00:41:14.640 --> 00:41:21.120
called the Splendid Little War by John Hay because it lasted only 229 days.

446
00:41:21.120 --> 00:41:24.440
The cause of that war, in my opinion, rose out of these facts.

447
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:29.440
In 1890, the national census indicated that the Western frontier had been conquered or

448
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:30.440
closed.

449
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:38.440
In 1893, a famous essay by Frederick Jackson Turner came out and his conclusion was that

450
00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:43.840
the economic growth of America has taken place because we've had this whole continent to

451
00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:48.720
Conqueror, and so forth. And now that's coming in. America's simply got to take a new course,

452
00:41:48.720 --> 00:41:54.240
and that is we need colonies, we need foreign markets. Well, of course, the pretense under

453
00:41:54.240 --> 00:41:57.760
which the war was fought was to free Cuba, and there was a doctrine at that time that

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00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:01.480
if a foreign power had a colony near you and they couldn't maintain order, then you had

455
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:06.600
the right to go in and to restore it. So we launched that war primarily to free Cuba from

456
00:42:06.600 --> 00:42:12.760
the Spanish. And remember, the main became the cry that was promoted by the Hearst Papers

457
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:19.760
and the Pulitzer Papers. In 1976, a study by the Navy called the Rickover Study shows

458
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:23.220
conclusively now that that explosion of the battleship Maine occurred from inside the

459
00:42:23.220 --> 00:42:31.740
ship, could not have been set by the Spanish. And as a great quote from, of all people,

460
00:42:31.740 --> 00:42:37.920
Justice Black talking about the role of newspapers because the Hurston Pulitzer Papers promoted

461
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:46.680
The Government's power to censor the press was abolished so that the press could remain

462
00:42:46.680 --> 00:42:49.400
forever free to censor the government.

463
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:53.700
The press was protected so it could bear the secrets of government and inform the people

464
00:42:53.700 --> 00:42:58.240
only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government.

465
00:42:58.240 --> 00:43:04.080
And paramount among the responsibilities of a free press is the duty to prevent any part

466
00:43:04.080 --> 00:43:10.640
of the Government from deceiving the people and sending them off to distant lands to die

467
00:43:10.640 --> 00:43:13.840
of foreign fevers, foreign shot, and shell.

468
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:17.540
I mean, it's not only a recognition that the government does that, but that's the role

469
00:43:17.540 --> 00:43:23.400
the press is supposed to perform to keep us from being deceived.

470
00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:31.660
What really happened in the Spanish-American War, though, was that we tried to get Spain

471
00:43:31.660 --> 00:43:38.660
McKinley claimed the islands for America and acquired our coaling station for the purpose of going to China.

472
00:43:38.660 --> 00:43:45.660
Let me read this. McKinley became the first imperialist American president to conquer foreign land.

473
00:43:45.660 --> 00:43:49.660
He cited the same war powers for his right to rule the world.

474
00:43:49.660 --> 00:43:56.660
McKinley claimed the islands for America and acquired our coaling station for the purpose of going to China.

475
00:43:56.660 --> 00:43:59.820
A fearless American president who conquered foreign land.

476
00:43:59.820 --> 00:44:03.420
He cited the same war powers for his right to rule Puerto Rico, Cuba, and the Philippines

477
00:44:03.420 --> 00:44:05.620
for several years after the war had ended.

478
00:44:05.620 --> 00:44:10.340
A scholar of military government stated in 1904, quote, In America, we were supposed

479
00:44:10.340 --> 00:44:15.100
to have started out with an executive with care to define powers, but we are now developing

480
00:44:15.100 --> 00:44:25.780
one with the prerogatives which must be the envy of crowned heads.

481
00:44:25.780 --> 00:44:32.420
Mark Flane hit the nail on the head and said we cannot maintain an empire in the Orient

482
00:44:32.420 --> 00:44:38.140
and maintain a republic in America. American foreign policy at this point then was changed

483
00:44:38.140 --> 00:44:45.580
180 degrees from non-intervention to intervention so that up to this point we have changed the

484
00:44:45.580 --> 00:44:50.620
whole American government through the Civil War to a centralized power and in the Spanish-American

485
00:44:50.620 --> 00:44:53.620
The Peloponnesian War, we've changed the foreign policy 180 degrees.

486
00:44:56.620 --> 00:44:59.620
We're about out of time and I haven't gotten to World War I.

487
00:45:03.620 --> 00:45:08.620
In my opinion, World War I could turn out to be the Peloponnesian War of modern times.

488
00:45:09.620 --> 00:45:13.620
Because it absolutely rejected the whole premise upon which America was founded.

489
00:45:14.620 --> 00:45:17.620
People came here to get away from the cauldron of constant conflict.

490
00:45:17.620 --> 00:45:18.620
Conflict.

491
00:45:18.620 --> 00:45:23.940
It was in that war that we sent American troops and upset the balance of power in Europe and

492
00:45:23.940 --> 00:45:31.740
caused the Carthaginian peace treaty, Versailles, to be imposed on Germany, which gave rise

493
00:45:31.740 --> 00:45:37.380
to Nazism and which brought us on the end of the Second World War.

494
00:45:37.380 --> 00:45:40.620
The study of Winston Churchill is interesting in this.

495
00:45:40.620 --> 00:45:44.900
Ralph Reiko does his column, which I hope he will.

496
00:45:44.900 --> 00:45:50.620
He points out that Churchill is the personification of the war and welfare century. He started

497
00:45:50.620 --> 00:45:55.940
welfare in England by adopting the beverage system, and he was very instrumental in starting

498
00:45:55.940 --> 00:46:01.860
the World War I and World War II as far as America's intervention is concerned. Just

499
00:46:01.860 --> 00:46:09.200
a little about the sinking of the Lusitania, and there's some good books out on this now,

500
00:46:09.200 --> 00:46:14.600
And that is that it was a British liner which was off limits for German submarines.

501
00:46:14.600 --> 00:46:19.240
The German Embassy came to William Jennings Bryan, the Secretary of State, and told him

502
00:46:19.240 --> 00:46:24.120
that they had gotten a copy of the manifesto, a cargo list, and it showed that illegal weapons

503
00:46:24.120 --> 00:46:25.120
were there.

504
00:46:25.120 --> 00:46:30.120
And under international law, that allowed them to launch and attack submarines on the

505
00:46:30.120 --> 00:46:31.920
Lusitania and sink it.

506
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:35.400
William Jennings Bryan took the information of Woodrow Wilson and asked him to warn American

507
00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:37.280
citizens, which he refused to do.

508
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:43.280
The German Embassy even put ads in the New York papers warning American citizens not to sail.

509
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:51.280
Winston Churchill at that time was Lord of Admiralty and he switched the captains on the ship on the day of the sailing,

510
00:46:51.280 --> 00:47:01.280
changed the course so as to put it in direct conflict with the submarine attack and over 100 lives were lost by the sinking of the Lusitania.

511
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:10.840
The war didn't happen until a year or so later, but that was the cause by which Wilson was

512
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:16.660
able to whip up a motion in America that over 100 American lives were lost due to the vicious

513
00:47:16.660 --> 00:47:22.240
submarine attack of the Germans, which he could have prevented, had the knowledge and

514
00:47:22.240 --> 00:47:27.240
and refused to act because he wanted to busy-getty minds with foreign quarrels.

515
00:47:34.240 --> 00:47:35.240
About out of time.

516
00:47:35.240 --> 00:47:36.240
Yeah, it is a big subject.

517
00:47:36.240 --> 00:47:38.240
I don't know if I can cut this down to now.

518
00:47:41.240 --> 00:47:42.240
Let me give you this.

519
00:47:42.240 --> 00:47:46.240
This is Schaeffer's book on America and the Great War.

520
00:47:46.240 --> 00:47:51.240
Potentially the most important result of all was the lesson deposited in the American historical record.

521
00:47:51.240 --> 00:48:02.240
Overseas wars can be beneficial to American business, for the profits that they generate and for the security and stability a war welfare state affords to those in a position to take advantage of it.

522
00:48:02.240 --> 00:48:09.240
Another quote from John Keegan, who is probably the foremost authority on war, the history of war, he says this,

523
00:48:09.240 --> 00:48:39.240
The First World War fought almost exclusively between American states, terminated European dominance of the world, and through the suffering it inflicted on the participant populations, corrupted what was best in the civilization, its liberalism and its hopefulness, and he's using liberalism there the same way Mises does, classical liberalism of the philosophy of freedom, and conferred on militarists and totalitarians the role of proclaiming the future. The future that the militarists and totalitarians wanted brought about the Second World War, which completed the ruin

524
00:48:39.240 --> 00:48:43.240
initiated by the first. It also brought about the development of nuclear weapons and the

525
00:48:43.240 --> 00:48:51.520
logical culmination of the technological trend in western way of warfare. Let me just try

526
00:48:51.520 --> 00:49:00.120
to read one thing to you. Gosh, well, Wilson on civil liberties is really, I'm going to

527
00:49:00.120 --> 00:49:06.800
touch on that. I hate to give that up. President Wilson followed Lincoln's example of ruthlessly

528
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:13.520
Crushing Civil Liberties. The Espionage Act was passed in 1917, Sedition Act 1918, and

529
00:49:13.520 --> 00:49:18.040
then he issued an executive order on April 13, 1917, creating the Committee on Public

530
00:49:18.040 --> 00:49:23.040
Information, which was funded by his executive funds without any authority from Congress.

531
00:49:23.040 --> 00:49:29.640
Its purpose was to disseminate false propaganda to aid the war effort. Quoting Schaeffer in

532
00:49:29.640 --> 00:49:33.400
America's Great War, Wilson felt compelled to follow Lincoln and John Adams and limit

533
00:49:33.400 --> 00:49:37.680
and the freedom of ordinary citizens to dissent, a time of war, the president said, must be

534
00:49:37.680 --> 00:49:40.080
regarded as wholly exceptional.

535
00:49:40.080 --> 00:49:45.840
It was legitimate regard to these things which would, in ordinary circumstances, be innocent,

536
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:48.720
is very dangerous to the public welfare.

537
00:49:48.720 --> 00:49:53.480
One example among thousands you can find is the prosecution of a lady called Rose Pastor

538
00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:59.640
Stokes who had this letter to the editor in the Kansas City Star which said, quote, no

539
00:49:59.640 --> 00:50:04.600
No government which is for profiteers can also be for the people and I am for the people

540
00:50:04.600 --> 00:50:07.280
and the government is for the profiteers.

541
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:14.200
She was found guilty under the espionage and sedition acts and sentenced to ten years in

542
00:50:14.200 --> 00:50:15.840
the penitentiary.

543
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:22.300
And the judge who sentenced her stated this in his order, quote, the only protected free

544
00:50:22.300 --> 00:50:28.760
speech which is, the only protected free speech was that which is friendly to the government,

545
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:33.640
friendly to the war, friendly to the politics of the government, and then Wilson authorized

546
00:50:33.640 --> 00:50:37.240
the prosecution of the publisher of the paper for treason.

547
00:50:37.240 --> 00:50:41.640
He also, Wilson also favored the Peace Time Sedition Act in his late 1920s.

548
00:50:41.640 --> 00:50:45.360
He vetoed a bill which would have abolished the Espionage Act.

549
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:50.260
I'm going to close with this.

550
00:50:50.260 --> 00:50:54.040
This is some of the economic costs of World War I.

551
00:50:54.040 --> 00:50:59.640
In virtually all cases of state building since the Renaissance, war-induced taxation was

552
00:50:59.640 --> 00:51:04.440
the wedge by which state power advanced. The United States and World War I conformed to

553
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:09.040
this historical pattern, and this is from Porter's The War and the Rise of the State.

554
00:51:09.040 --> 00:51:13.240
The income tax amendment ratified in 1913 had been a minor source of federal revenue

555
00:51:13.240 --> 00:51:18.480
until Congress passed the Wartime Revenue Act of October 1917. Never before had the

556
00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:22.480
The Federal Taxation affected so many Americans, so directly.

557
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:30.480
Revenue Act of 1918 went further, increasing the total income tax load on American citizens by nearly 250% over the 1917 Act.

558
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:35.480
The top bracket reached 77%, while the normal tax bracket rose to 6%.

559
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:44.480
The burgeoning tax burden also included corporate income taxes, award states tax, excise tax, import tax, excess profits tax.

560
00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:50.400
The taxation legislation of World War I permanently altered the structure of American taxation.

561
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:55.080
Not only did this legislation greatly elevate the importance of income tax, but it made

562
00:51:55.080 --> 00:52:00.200
the principle of the progressive tax a permanent fixture of the nation's tax system.

563
00:52:00.200 --> 00:52:04.320
On the eve of entering the war, personal and corporate income tax is constituted of only

564
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:06.540
24% of the entire revenue figure.

565
00:52:06.540 --> 00:52:11.080
This figure rose sharply during the war and remained high afterwards, averaging 75% throughout

566
00:52:11.080 --> 00:52:13.100
the 1920s.

567
00:52:13.100 --> 00:52:19.460
World War tax receipts never again drop lower than five times the pre-war level. World War

568
00:52:19.460 --> 00:52:24.820
I thus catalyzed the transformation of the income tax, the most direct, intrusive of

569
00:52:24.820 --> 00:52:30.580
all forms of revenue extraction, into becoming the mainstay of federal financing. The bureaucratic

570
00:52:30.580 --> 00:52:34.820
growth that resulted from World War I was the obvious long-term import for the structure

571
00:52:34.820 --> 00:52:38.260
of the U.S. government. By the enhancement of power of the Presidency, the accompanied

572
00:52:38.260 --> 00:52:43.900
Expansion was even more significant. A series of legislative measures passed in 1916 and

573
00:52:43.900 --> 00:52:49.540
1917 gave Wilson administration unprecedented authority to intervene in the national economy.

574
00:52:49.540 --> 00:52:53.020
The National Defense Act compelled factories to sell their products to the government on

575
00:52:53.020 --> 00:52:58.660
a priority basis at prices determined by the Secretary of War. The Army Appropriations

576
00:52:58.660 --> 00:53:04.180
Act authorized the seizure of transportation. Taking a page from Lincoln, Wilson used this

577
00:53:04.180 --> 00:53:22.180
Thank you very much, John. I appreciate it. Hopefully these ideas might get us on one of these up channels for freedom in the future.

578
00:53:22.180 --> 00:53:23.180
Well, I hope so.

579
00:53:23.180 --> 00:53:27.180
Do you want to just quickly tell the story about what happened to your, was it your great uncle?

580
00:53:27.180 --> 00:53:37.760
My father's first cousin was a lawyer in Birmingham, a well-known trial lawyer, and he was at a

581
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:42.260
dinner party, among what he thought were his close personal friends, and he made the statement

582
00:53:42.260 --> 00:53:47.620
that the so-and-so, Wilson, has tricked us into the First World War.

583
00:53:47.620 --> 00:53:54.220
And so he was indicted under the Sedition Act, which made it illegal to make any statement

584
00:53:54.220 --> 00:54:00.040
and a critical of the president and he was tried and defended by my grandfather and two

585
00:54:00.040 --> 00:54:05.300
other lawyers and was acquitted but it was on a technical basis that the statement was

586
00:54:05.300 --> 00:54:10.480
made about two days before the act was passed.

587
00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:16.180
So that's just an example of the type of prosecution that took place so that freedom of speech

588
00:54:16.180 --> 00:54:19.020
was only that which was friendly to the government.

589
00:54:19.020 --> 00:54:24.820
And a great thing, the NIA Commission investigated the First World War, unlike there was no

590
00:54:24.820 --> 00:54:29.140
investigation after the Second World War, and showed all of the drastic misstatements

591
00:54:29.140 --> 00:54:33.440
that were made and the economic reasons that America got into the war.

592
00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:37.700
And that resulted in the neutrality laws, which were passed in the thirties, which almost

593
00:54:37.700 --> 00:54:39.620
prevented us from getting into the Second World War.

594
00:54:39.620 --> 00:54:46.820
But those were, it was a brutal time of civil liberties and a brutal time on economic rights.

595
00:54:46.820 --> 00:55:08.820
John, I agree with what I'm doing. The whole focus of your discussion, but the only criticism I have is that it seems to me that a very common in the American government is to not only declare war, it's kind of a declare war internal.

596
00:55:08.820 --> 00:55:09.820
Right.

597
00:55:09.820 --> 00:55:20.820
And you see things like the war on poverty and certain war on drugs and so on and so forth also when you use this sort of side behind which you see continued orientation on privilege.

598
00:55:20.820 --> 00:55:30.820
Right. And I think that's become the motive is you declare war. And then that gives rise to all kind of, you know, necessity is the excuse of tyrants.

599
00:55:30.820 --> 00:55:39.820
And, you know, if you take conscription and say that's a legitimate thing of government, well, what isn't?

600
00:55:39.820 --> 00:55:46.820
I mean, once you accept that, that your son's going to be drafted, then why shouldn't I have to pay 77% of my income to help the war?

601
00:55:46.820 --> 00:55:49.820
You know, anything, any sacrifice is not enough.

602
00:55:49.820 --> 00:55:58.820
Which struck me was that's the reason something that was meant to be the door of al-Qaeda criticized violence and the love of your friends.

603
00:55:58.820 --> 00:56:00.820
And that's what had happened here.

604
00:56:00.820 --> 00:56:02.820
It happens in America frequently.

605
00:56:02.820 --> 00:56:04.820
It's been nice to know they were sent to prison for that.

606
00:56:04.820 --> 00:56:06.820
Right.

607
00:56:08.820 --> 00:56:15.820
In the war conference I know of, Eugene Sledge, your cousin, and Paul Fussell had both talked about their experiences in World War II.

608
00:56:15.820 --> 00:56:45.820
and it struck me in Bustle's speech especially that Vietnam with all the things that we hear about it about, you know, friendly fire and all the tragedies it's supposed to keep on, this wasn't uncommon in all the previous wars, it wasn't known and I find your comment about the media kind of interesting because to what degree has technology being able to put you right there on the spot had impact both making propaganda worse and at the same time

609
00:56:45.820 --> 00:56:52.340
Well, I think it helped us get out of Somalia the first time. You know, when they show that

610
00:56:52.340 --> 00:56:56.900
picture of dragging the American through the streets had a tremendous effect, I think,

611
00:56:56.900 --> 00:57:03.260
on American people. So it has its good and its bad as far as the methods by which the

612
00:57:03.260 --> 00:57:10.660
news media is used either to promote or to fight war. You know, the problem with discussing

613
00:57:10.660 --> 00:57:17.340
War is it especially if you've got a son or father or someone you've lost in a war.

614
00:57:17.340 --> 00:57:22.580
And it's almost too much pain to bear to try to investigate that war and see and come to

615
00:57:22.580 --> 00:57:28.480
a conclusion if that war was unnecessary then you know that loss is even more severe.

616
00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:34.380
And once you criticize war you're almost always considered being unpatriotic because that's

617
00:57:34.380 --> 00:57:37.860
the thing that you know we're going to fight for our freedom.

618
00:57:37.860 --> 00:58:07.860
and so it's, you almost have to find little windows of opportunity, like right now we don't have a major war when you talk about things like this, I may be prosecuted later for this, but it is a subject that's considered, quote, anti-patriotic or unsympathetic or something, but war is the essential, centralizing power and that, in my opinion, centralization power is the essential enemy of freedom. So, you know, it's, when you write

619
00:58:07.860 --> 00:58:16.860
The fight about the New Deal as being the event that changed America, I think it's compressing history a little too short in Spain.

620
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I know a lot of you have got to go. I don't want to keep anybody from a class.

621
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If war is the principal architect of centralization of government, is peace the principal architect of erosion of power from the central authority?

622
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Well, I think that peace gives you a chance. I mean, it's only in peacetime if we could

623
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probably have this talk right here. I mean, if there was a Vietnam going on right now

624
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and, you know, we would have this talk right here, we'd be considered un-American primarily.

625
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So I think peace gives you an opportunity, not necessarily lead to freedom, but it certainly

626
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reduces the restraints on which you can act to try to promote freedom.
