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NOTE Is There Hope for Liberty in Our Lifetime?

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Well, my talk today is entitled, Is There Hope for Liberty in Our Lifetime?

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And it's certainly tempting to think that there is.

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As I discussed in the first part of my book, libertarianism, not all that long ago,

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used to be something that was really just known to a tiny handful of people

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who were scattered all across the country.

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I think I've heard, you know, Walter Block say that

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several decades ago, if you were in the libertarian movement,

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you knew everybody else was in the libertarian movement, or at least it felt that way.

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And this was even true to a considerable extent when I first became a libertarian about 15

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years ago.

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You know, I only heard about libertarianism because I happened to know somebody who saw

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that I was interested in political ideas, conservative ones in my case at the time,

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and suggested that I subscribe to the Freeman Magazine published by the Foundation for Economic

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Education.

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And probably some of the older people in this room were introduced to libertarian ideas

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in much the same way.

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But most people didn't know anyone who could tell them to subscribe to the Freeman and

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so they didn't hear about libertarianism, they didn't read about it in magazines that

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they read, libertarian books weren't on the New York Times bestseller list, they weren't

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hearing about it on TV or anything. But now, of course, everything's changed. You meet

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people who call themselves libertarians everywhere and some of the people don't know what that

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It's remarkable that they even know the word libertarian, but what's really remarkable is how many of them really do know what that means.

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I've been going around the past year and giving lectures at various law schools across the country.

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I've been amazed that law students come up to me and they start telling me about Murray Rothbard.

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They tell me they read lewrockwell.com every day.

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and they tell me they're reading about Austrian economics from books available from the Mises Institute

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that they're reading online for free because of the Mises Institute.

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Even when I was in law school less than a decade ago, this was unfathomable.

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There weren't law students around like this, like there are now.

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There are two big factors that have contributed to this and they both kind of build on each other.

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One is the internet and the other, of course, is Ron Paul.

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When Ron Paul ran for president, of course, the mainstream media almost completely ignored him,

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but you had this hardcore of fans on the internet who kind of put the word out, got people interested,

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and eventually they were able to raise enough money online to kind of launch him to mainstream media attention,

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and then he was able to give his message from a better platform, reaching more people.

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And then in turn when Ron Paul sent people back to the internet to learn more about these

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ideas he was espousing related to liberty and Austrian economics and specifically he

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sent them to the Mises Institute which had been espousing these ideas, particularly the

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most important ideas related to war and the Federal Reserve as no other institution had

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been doing and of course they had this wonderful online library that's unlike anything that

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that anybody else had out there.

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And now that this is happening,

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you're hearing about libertarianism

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in places you wouldn't have expected to.

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You're hearing the names Mises and Hayek

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in the mainstream media.

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The people who are referring to them

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might not understand what Mises and Hayek

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actually have to say, but they at least know the names

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and it demonstrates that our ideas

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are getting into the culture

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in a way that they never did before.

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Again, to anyone who's been around this movement for more than a few years, this is all just

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astonishing. This is something I couldn't have imagined, certainly. Even five years

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ago, I don't think I would have thought we'd be anywhere close to where we are now.

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So when you look at this explosion of growth that we've had as a movement, when you look

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at some of the anti-government sentiment that seems to be out there, again, it's certainly

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tempting to think that we have a relatively good shot at getting closer to a libertarian

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Society here in the United States and our lifetimes.

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But there's a quote from Ayn Rand

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that I think is relevant here.

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It's a quote that Jeff Rigenbach sometimes brings up

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in his Libertarian Tradition podcasts,

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which you should subscribe to if you don't already

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because they're excellent.

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The quote from Rand is, it's earlier than you think.

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Meaning, of course, that even though it seems like

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our ideas have gained a lot of ground,

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even though it seems like it should be really obvious

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to everyone that they should cast off, the statism that's oppressing them, it really,

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we're not that close after all. There's a whole lot more work that we need to do before

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we're going to be close to that point, if we ever get there. So the question is, how

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will we get from here to there? What kinds of things can we do to get from here to there

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faster? Well, first I want to consider a couple things that some people advocate to advance

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and Finance Liberty that I don't think will work, and then I'll talk about what I think will work.

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Some people think that electoral politics is the way to go. I don't think so. There's

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one way in which electoral politics certainly can advance our cause, as an educational platform.

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Murray Rothbard favored the foundation of the Libertarian Party because he thought most

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people are busy living their lives and they're not thinking about political ideas most of

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of the Time, except every four years when there's a presidential election, people start

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thinking about it again. So this is a way that we can put our ideas out there when that

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opportunity arises. And you know, the Libertarian Party has been doing that with varying degrees

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of consistency and success since it's been formed. And of course, Ron Paul did essentially

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the same thing in 2008. That's fine. What's not fine for advancing liberty is trying to

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to run candidates for Congress or for the presidency with the idea that you're actually

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going to win the office. Because you're not going to win any elections with a libertarian

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message, not with a real libertarian message, because most people aren't libertarians.

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You can point to Ron Paul winning a seat in Congress, but Ron Paul is the exception to

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a great many rules. As Lew Rockwell says, there's only one Ron Paul. The reality is

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The overwhelming majority of people in America, in every state, in every city in America,

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are not libertarians. They're not even close to being libertarians. They're not going to

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be close to being libertarians anytime soon. It's just reality. Not most of the people,

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not half the people, not a quarter of the people. David Kirby and David Bowes at the

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Cato Institute have done some studies where they've looked at polling data and concluded

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that 14% of voters are libertarian. If that was true, that would be very encouraging.

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Unfortunately, that number is way, way too high. If you look at the questions they asked,

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they just kind of gauged people's attitudes towards government and the market and kind

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of added that up to some people being libertarians. But there is nothing in those studies, in

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those polls, that would give you any clue whatsoever of where those people stood on

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the most important issues, some of the most important issues, such as war, the police

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State, the Federal Reserve, the people counted as libertarians in that poll could have easily

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supported all those things and I don't doubt that most of them do support most of those

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things. And so if you took a realistic poll and you defined libertarian the way that most

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people in the libertarian movement would define it, you'd find that the actual percentage

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in the general public is very, very low.

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Well what about the Tea Party? You might think there's cause for hope there because after

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After all, it sounds like they're saying, even if they're not perfect libertarians,

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it sounds like they're saying some of the right things and they seem to have a decent

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us versus them attitude toward Washington, which seems healthy.

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And without question, and of course there are some big names in the libertarian movement

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who have thought this, who have tried to latch on to the Tea Party movement, tried to fund

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it and its candidates, thinking that it might finally be a chance to get smaller government,

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Without question, there are some true libertarians in the Tea Party movement, and I'm sure that

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some of those people are able to use the Tea Party movement to influence others who might

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be new to political ideas, who might be kind of on the borderline in the direction of libertarianism.

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I started out as conservative and I came around, so I'm sure they can bring some people around

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too. And I know there are little cells of the Tea Party, given the way the Tea Party

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is organized, it's decentralized. There are little cells of it that are hardcore libertarian.

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But if you look at the numbers, you realize that if liberty is going to be achieved in

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America, it's not these people who are going to bring it about. Consider some figures from

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an April 2010 CBS New York Times poll that was taken of people who identify as Tea Party

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It asked tea partiers to identify what political figures they admired most.

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This wasn't particularly rigged or anything.

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They could say anybody they want.

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They could say none of the above.

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They could say other.

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Who was number one for the tea partiers among the people they admire most in politics?

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If you guessed Ron Paul, I appreciate your optimism, your good feelings towards your

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It's your fellow man, you know, thinking the best of people and all, but you're way off.

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It's Newt Gingrich, who, of course, is known for favoring the death penalty for drug dealers,

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favoring war with Iran, praising the New Deal.

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Number two on their list, by the way, when I talk about politicians, I'm not saying we

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should vote against these people or vote for that people.

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This is just to give you an idea, you know, to make an inference about the people's ideas.

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That's all.

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Number two on their list, Newt Gingrich, who's number one. Number two on their list, Sarah

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Palin, make of this what you will. Number three was a tie between Mitt Romney, the progenitor

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of Obamacare, and that noted supporter of smaller government and humble foreign policy,

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George W. Bush Then at number four, we have another tie.

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This one is between George H.W. Bush who gave us those low flow toilets that we enjoy today

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among many other wonderful things, Mike Huckabee who as far as I've noticed has never favored

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liberty with respect to anything and then John McCain and then finally we have Ron Paul.

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So add up all those people who admire George Bush, admire Sarah Palin, what planet could you be from and think that they're worthy of any manner of admiration?

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Well anyway, so add up all those people who admire those figures and then compare that to the number who admire Ron Paul, which was by the way 3%.

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That's 3% of all tea partiers, not the general public, tea partiers.

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And then you get a sense, you start to get a sense of how likely that movement is to advance liberty.

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These figures I gave are a little old. They were from a year ago. So you might be tempted

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to think that the Tea Party has gotten a little more radical since then. After all, government

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has only gotten bigger. They've had more time to absorb the ideas of Austrian economics

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and so forth. So maybe they've started coming around. Maybe they're more radically opposed

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to the government now. I'm afraid not. Back in September, Pew Research took a poll of

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of Tea Party Supporters, and they found that 47% of tea partiers said they're angry with

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the federal government. This should seem kind of strange, right, because, I mean, one, the

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media is always telling us how angry the tea partiers are, and if you look at the books

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that are out there about the tea party, they have titles like Boiling Mad and Mad as Hell.

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Well, if they're not angry with the federal government, what are they angry at? I don't

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know, but, and if they were, if they're really anti-government, then you would think they'd

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they'd be really angry with the federal government because they have a lot to be angry about.

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But back in September 2010, 47%. But now, you might think they're angrier now because

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after all, government has only gotten bigger, new wars and so forth, and of course they

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elected all these Tea Party guys to Congress and government hasn't started shrinking yet.

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You know, all these Tea Party guys, almost all of them voted to renew the Patriot Act,

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No debate, no changes. They all just went for it. So you think, well, they'd be really

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mad, right, because these guys betrayed us, and they'd be really angry with the federal

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government. Unfortunately, you'd be once again too optimistic. A Pew poll taken last month

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found that only 28% of Tea Partiers now are angry with the federal government. And think

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about that. That's just after two months of a Republican House of Representatives. Imagine

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And how not angry with the federal government most of these people would be if you also

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had a Republican Senate and a Republican White House. I think you'd find they would be led

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by the same talk radio hosts who led many of them to the Tea Party right back to where

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they were during all those years when George W. Bush, who most of them like, was president.

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By the way, all of this is to say nothing, of course, of the troubling anti-immigrant,

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and the virulently anti-Islam pro-war views that all of them espouse right alongside their limited government talk.

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And if you're interested, by the way, here are the top three, this poll was just taken last month,

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the top three 2012 presidential picks of Tea Partiers from a Pew poll.

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Number one, Mitt Romney. Number two, Mike Huckabee. Number three, Newt Gingrich.

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In fairness, though, that was a month ago. If they took it now, maybe the Tea Partiers would put Donald Trump in there instead.

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So, that might not characterize their views now.

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So, I don't think it's an especially encouraging sign that the Tea Party movement came along

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and adopted some of the Ron Paul movement's rhetoric and strategies.

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And I think the people who are trying to fund that movement, who think that backing that

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movement is going to advance liberty, I think it's a waste.

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Not necessarily for libertarians who are trying to work with them and influence them, but

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for actually trying to fund this as a movement that's gonna elect people who are gonna make

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our lives better.

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And of course, there's still other reasons to think that Americans aren't going to elect

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libertarians anytime soon.

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I mean, think about the American public and what they've supported, and think about especially

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the early 20th century, all the stuff that Americans went along with.

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I mean, first you had World War I, so they got behind that, and they got behind conscription

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Prohibition to send their sons off to be killed for this senseless war. You had the Fed then,

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but maybe you can't blame people for supporting that. Then, of course, you had more than a

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decade of alcohol prohibition that people tolerated for that long. Then, of course,

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you had the New Deal, which people voted for again and again. Then, of course, during World

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War II, Americans tolerated the government rounding up Japanese American citizens, putting

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them into concentration camps. Then you had Americans, of course, going along with all

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and all manner of wartime economic controls and thinking that was fine.

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And that, that was in the early 20th century.

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Think about how much closer the country was back then to whatever libertarian roots it

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might have.

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Those people who supported all that stuff in the early 20th century, they weren't raised

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going to federally controlled government schools.

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And those people were much more loyal to other institutions besides the state, such as, you

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You know, the churches, such as fraternal organizations.

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And so if those people could be so easily manipulated

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into supporting unprecedented fascism in America,

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how much more likely do you think Americans today

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are to vote for less government?

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Consider also that over the decades ahead,

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more and more libertarians, or excuse me, not libertarians,

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more and more people will be receiving checks

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from the government through social security

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and through government employment.

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Do you think those people are going to suddenly want to get rid of the federal government?

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Do you think they're going to roll it back? Of course they're not. Of course they're not.

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I don't say all of this to be negative or to depress you. The point is simply that trying

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to win elections isn't going to work, now or anytime soon, because most people aren't

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libertarian and aren't about to be. As Iran said, it's earlier than you think.

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Some people argue that since libertarianism can't win through the electoral process, we

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should go to the federal courts and get libertarianism that way. After all, that's what the left

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wing does, right? I mean, when the people won't go for what they want, they go to the

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federal courts and try to get the federal, try to get them to force people to accept

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what they won't vote for. With these libertarians, the idea is we need to get government to start

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reading Congress's powers into the Constitution, like under the Congress cause, more narrowly

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and start reading the protections for liberty more broadly.

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This camp has had big wins recently, it's true.

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They had big wins with the District of Columbia

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versus Heller and McDonald versus Chicago gun cases

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where the Supreme Court recognizes the second amendment,

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protects an individual right to bear arms

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and then it applies against the states.

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that their strategy's a good one.

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that they went and they did this. There can't be any doubt whatsoever that people in D.C.,

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here in Chicago, other cities that had stringent gun control laws are now better off. They

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enjoy a right that they couldn't before. But their big victory for liberty is not likely

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to last very long in the long run. After all, the Supreme Court said in those decisions

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that while an absolute ban on guns is unacceptable, reasonable restrictions would be okay. And

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that they're willing to recognize is extremely, extremely narrow.

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Winning court battles on issues like this helps people in the short term, and again,

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that's great. It's heroic. It's saving people from being victims of government crime, but

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it does nothing to address the underlying problem of a federal government that's growing

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and always grabbing more power for itself. The federal courts are absolutely not ever

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are going to help us win that battle.

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The federal judges who sit on those courts

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confirmed by a senate, and those guys

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are never gonna select or confirm anyone

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who won't tell them they can do

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absolutely anything they wanna do.

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relies on the assumption that the rulers

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and give us liberty.

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That idea should just seem absurd to any libertarian.

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The idea accepts the myth that federal judges, they're really just unbiased arbiters, neutral

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arbiters of disputes. Of course they're not. They're political rulers who want to and do

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control us. Judges haven't harmed liberty because lawyers haven't made good enough constitutional

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arguments in favor of liberty. They've harmed liberty because it's what they're put on the

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and the bench to do, so the courts aren't gonna save us.

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What will work?

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are not going to be pleased by my answer,

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because my answer is the same answer

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that Albert J. Knot gave in his classic essay,

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Isaiah's Job, and that Leonard Reed gave

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in his classic essay, How to Advance Liberty,

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both of which you should read.

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What we can do now to advance liberty

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is first and foremost to work on the one unit of society

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that we're actually capable of improving,

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which is ourselves.

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We learn more about liberty, learn more about history,

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learn more about Austrian economics.

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And we can learn to improve ourselves in every respect

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so that we're more capable of communicating these ideas

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that we learn to others and that others would actually see us

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as someone who they wanna learn from.

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Our purpose shouldn't be to go out

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I don't think that's a healthy attitude.

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Because of the character and intellect that we'll cultivate, they'll want to hear what

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we have to say. Other people following our example then will want to spread the ideas

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to others. And slowly we'll see the ideas seep more and more into the culture. Eventually

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we'll see them popping up in unexpected places. We'll hear them coming back to us from the

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mouths of people we wouldn't have expected to hear them from, as Nock would predict.

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This isn't far-fetched. We have a perfect example of this phenomenon in the real world

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today. In fact, this method I advocate, I believe, is responsible for the huge explosion

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of interest in liberty that we see. Our perfect example is Ron Paul. Did Ron Paul really ever

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seek mass appeal? Did he run national advertisements saying, come check out what I have to say,

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or anything of the kind? No. All he did was communicate his ideas clearly and consistently

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for Decades, using whatever forum was available to him, while also maintaining an exceptionally

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high level of personal integrity that led people to respect him and to pay serious attention

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to what he had to say. Then, almost as if by magic, hundreds of thousands of people

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were just drawn to him in a way that people in the normal political world couldn't understand,

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right, because normal politicians don't naturally attract people. Natural politicians have to,

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You know, rather regular politicians have to go out and make all kinds of absurd promises

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to get people to come pay attention to them. It's the complete opposite of what normally

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goes on in politics. And now look at the people who he's inspired. Look at the people who

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have gone out and started spreading the ideas themselves. Look at how the names of Mises

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and Hayek turn up all over the place, coming again from people who aren't necessarily libertarians

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but who now are aware, at least indirectly, of these ideas.

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This is how our ideas advance.

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All the Mises Institute did was build a great institution, build a great website, and people

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People just came, people were drawn to it, because the Mises Institute was a light in

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a world of darkness. Now, some might say, oh, that's great, okay, more people know

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about liberty, great, and they're talking about it. But how do we actually get liberty?

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One way we can actually get liberty that's perfectly consistent with this strategy is

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by creating institutions that serve as alternatives to government institutions. A great example

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of this is the homeschooling movement. People who homeschool their children are freeing

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their children from the coercion of government schools. And you'll notice that this came

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about just because a bunch of people started doing it. They didn't wait around for liberty-friendly

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politicians to be elected. They didn't wait around for liberty-friendly judges to be appointed.

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They didn't ask anybody's permission. I know some people will say, well that's fine, there's

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little pockets of liberty here and there, but I want a libertarian society. How do we

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How do we get that? How do we get rid of the state?

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The answer is just that we have to keep doing our never-ending job of self-improvement and

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be patient. Someday, we don't know when, the existing Leviathan will collapse just as the

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Soviet Union collapsed. Nothing lasts forever, especially not a fascist or socialist regime.

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When that collapse comes, however it comes about, we don't know how it will, if we've

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done our job in spreading our ideas, there will be a natural aristocracy of libertarian

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and leaders in place who are ready to help rebuild society on a better foundation.

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This could be many years from now and I think it will be after my lifetime. Maybe it won't

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happen at all, but that's just reality. There's nothing to be upset about. There are lots

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of good things that might happen in the future after we're all gone that we can think of

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that will probably happen that we won't enjoy because we haven't been born in this particular

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time period, think of all the technological innovations that we know will happen but will

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happen after our lifetime, you know, interplanetary travel, human life spans extended to hundreds

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of years, the holodeck from Star Trek and of course flying cars, all these things we

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think will eventually happen but we won't get to enjoy them because it will be too long

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Well, you sit around all day being bummed out about that, no, of course not, you're

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You're glad you live now when you have all this stuff, iPhones and whatever, that you

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do have, and you're glad that you don't live in some previous time when things would have

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been a lot worse. Well, it shouldn't be any different for liberty. There's no reason why

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we should expect progress in this area to be faster or easier than progress in any other

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area of human endeavor. Getting a whole society to change its mind about some of its most

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fundamental beliefs is really difficult. There's no reason to think it wouldn't be, especially

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Even all the world's governments who have all the guns and most of the money are working

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really hard against you.

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You know, you might say, oh, it's not fair.

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Other people get to see their political ideologies enacted, but that's just reality.

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There's no quick fix.

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Libertarianism isn't a political philosophy for people with high time preference.

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It's high time, really, it's high time preference that leads people to think, we need to get

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results in Washington now.

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That leaves libertarians astray. It's what makes people latch on to politicians who don't

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really share our values. It's what makes people pursue these campaigns for quasi-libertarian

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things that would actually move us in the wrong direction, like privatizing social security

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and school vouchers. It's high time preference that makes people think we should focus our

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efforts on the federal courts, because after all, then you just get a federal judge to

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say we should have liberty, and boom, instant liberty for the whole country if you get the

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Supreme Court to do it. But that can't work. It can't possibly work, because even if you

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If you could get some judges to do that, which you couldn't, society wouldn't be ready for

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it. People would not understand the ideas. The pillars wouldn't be in place to underpin

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it. This isn't to say that we shouldn't be involved with short-term practical political

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projects. If there's a good chance of protecting somebody's liberty by going to court, fine.

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There's an anti-war movement that could stand in the way of a war. Join it. View these things

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for what they are. Those things are like stopping a particular crime from happening. It's not

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a, it doesn't address the underlying root problem of crime, right? It's like, you know,

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when the government does a big drug bust and they get, you know, a thousand kilos of cocaine

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or whatever they get, you know, a huge quantity of cocaine, and they think, wow, this is a

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great victory in the war on drugs. We're stopping drugs now. Is anyone not, is it, are any less

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drugs really going to be taken as a result of that? Does that really address the drug

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problem, if you want to call it that? No, of course not. It doesn't address the drug

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problem at all. They just stopped this one little thing. And so what we need to do is

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keep our eyes focused on the big problem, the long-term problem, and we can't ever compromise

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our principles if we do pursue those short-term things, because someone has to keep those

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ideas alive and growing and pure. And if we don't do it, no one will, and the libertarian

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movement that we've built so far could be lost. Now, if you have an urgent need for

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for more liberty in your personal life, if that's your complaint, right, that you don't

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have enough liberty, there's lots of ways you can go out and get it. And you can reduce

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your tax burden, you can find your ways around regulation, right? I mean, you can be like

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Jeffrey Tucker and hack your shower so that you can get the showers the government doesn't

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want you to take. You can hold onto gold instead of Federal Reserve notes. And you can do what

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a lot of people are doing and move to a part of the world where they'll give you more of

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whatever kind of freedom is more important to you. And by the way, as people move with

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With their feet like that, I think it's going to happen more and more as travel becomes

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easier, governments will have to compete for citizens and as they do, they're going to

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have to make themselves less burdensome and they'll do it without us having to actually

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dirty our hands with politics. They'll do it because we've made people want more liberty.

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Anyway, regardless of what happens with the rest of society, we should all be glad that

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we're living in a time and place that's allowed us to discover libertarianism in Austrian

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and Economics. Unlike most people who have ever lived, we can see things clearly that

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they couldn't. Unlike most people, we can see the state for what it is. Unlike most

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people, we can see what's going on in the economy and understand what's going on. Unlike

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most people, we have the truth. In many respects, the truth has already set us free. So, let's

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keep learning, let's keep improving ourselves, let's keep communicating our ideas to others,

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Let's create more liberty for ourselves without the politicians' help, and let's take joy

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in all of that.

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And even if we don't get as much liberty as we might like in our lifetimes, we'll have

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enjoyed ourselves doing all of that, and we'll have known, we'll have given our time and

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our efforts and our lives to a worthwhile cause.

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Thank you very much.
